"Walton Goggins"

Hey, everybody, this is Walton Goggins. I'm the guest on SmartLess today, and I can't wait to have a conversation with these three fellas. Only one of them know that I'm going to be here, so let's get this conversation started. Thanks for listening. Welcome to SmartLess. Wait, who's guest is it today? Shut up, Sean. Jason's. You can tell by the attitude. Fuck you, piece of shit. Hey, look at Will's on the fucking Western set with his fucking quilted, self-stitched, what's it called? Santa Fe something. Yeah. Will, how much research? So Will's doing a Western thing. Not a Western. What is it? It's with Michelle Pfeiffer. Yeah. Yeah. He's reprising. By the way, our friend Michelle Pfeiff's, who said to me. It's Mishy Fee. Mishy Fee. Yeah. And I said, she goes, I know we got to take a break so you can do your podcast. She's being sort of coy. She said with a mocking tone. Yeah. And I said, yeah. She was very good on the show. I said, you were great on the show. We loved having you and I hope you got good response. And she said that people came out of the woodwork too and that people listen to it. So how about that? That's nice. So. People always say, I don't want to do the show. I don't want to do the show. And then they're happy that they do the show. Yeah. That's right. Oh, I don't know. I think we just all slept together in the same cabin somewhere. Cause we just did this like 10 hours ago. I know it was. You mean like we just saw. Well, let's go back to. Why is everyone sleeping in a cabin? Oh, cause I'm dressed like I'm in a cabin. Well no, well that we just all slept in the same house and then we just woke up for breakfast and then we started doing this again. Yeah. Wait, what is your dream? You know what I mean? What was for breakfast? Sushi. I just had sushi. No you didn't. Yeah. I went to Zabar's. Zabar's is really close. Oh yeah. Famous for their sushi. Zabar's is making sushi. It's true. I put a jacket on. I went next door and I ate some sushi. I mean, I brought it home. I brought it home. Hey, you shit pig. Remember yesterday when you said I just had Chinese food? I thought to myself, self, that sounds really good. And so I ordered some Chinese for me last night. Oh, you did? And we had Chinese for the first time in a long time. Right. It tasted good. That's right. What did you have? I was wondering about your face. Cause I could see there was something. Wil. Wait'll you see my face after sushi lunch today. Do you get anything kind of naughty when you order Chinese? Like breaded chicken or breaded something or is it all like... Uh-uh. No. No. We had 봄וץ and I had a couple of chicken dishes and a noodle dish and some vegetables. Yeah, you got to do it. You know, because I said to Amanda, I said, you order baby. I don't want to... Don't let me see anything on the menu because I'll order Sean's food. And she went like totally clean and everything. Yeah. And it was good. And it was great. All right. Wait. Will, one of the grossest images I ever witnessed in my life was going over to Jason's house and he's swimming in his pool in the backyard while Amanda has a big hat on covering the sun and from the pool on his floaty, he goes, honey, can we get some sushi for lunch? While he's baking in the sun. It's so Hollywood gross. Hashtag relatable. He FaceTimed me once floating on a floaty in his pool. I was like at... And I was just... All I thought about was like, obviously, Ernest Borg, nine in the pool. By the way, by the way, by the way, it just reminded me, I forgot to tell you. So a little while ago, I run into Griffin Dunn, our old pal Griffin Dunn. The great Griffin Dunn. The great Griffin Dunn. So Griffin Dunn tells... So he says, I've been meaning to see, I've been meaning to tell you this story, I've been meaning to tell you this story. He said, years ago, when this is public record, he said, when Ernest Borg was getting divorced, his wife cited one of the problems that she cited in the court record was of their differences, that she found that as a problem as grounds for divorce was that Ernest Borg would Dutch oven her. He'd fart in the bed and pull the covers over her head. Is that real? Is that real? I swear to God. I looked it up. It's true. And she hated it and she was disgusted by it. And so he was like, I got to tell Will, I got to call him. So he had my old phone number because I haven't spoken to him in like four years or something and I'd switched my number. So he keeps, he's sending me stuff and he calls me and the guy goes, hello? And he goes, hey, listen, you know, this thing about Griffin, you know, he goes, hey, well, and the guy says, sort of says, yeah. And then he goes, listen, Ernest Borg, nine in the thing, and the reason he got divorced and the Dutch oven, this stuff. And the guy goes, this isn't Will. Okay. He's changed his number. And that is a disgusting. Why would you think I'd want to know this disgusting? That's really funny. Listener, as a backstory, you should know that I bought Ernest Borg nine's old house years ago and Will has been writing me for years that what I've done is I've made a bad purchase because. Not a bad purchase. Well, when you consider that supposedly Ernest Borg nine was a, a world-class masturbator. Well, he credited his longevity with the fact that he claimed that he masturbated every day. So I always imagine him everywhere in the house leaning against the rail. I don't know why. Good. Right. Yeah. And so it's in the, it's in the pool too, Will, and there's also lots of farts stuck in the master. Okay. Got it. Yeah. No, no, no. That is crazy. Welcome to Smartless. So I've been meaning to tell you that. All right, let me pull up my notes here. Oh yeah. It's so organized. All right. I've written a little intro. Where is it? Here it comes. What we've got here today. So smooth. Oh God. Stop shouting. Well, we're back from commercial. What we've got here today is an actor, an exciting actor. This guy knows how to put you on his back and carry you into the world of some pretty interesting characters. Some are funny. Some are scary. Some are dark. Some are breezy. Whatever it is though, it's always a good ride. He's the kind of actor that gives you the grin of expectation and the feeling of relief that you're in good hands for wherever you're going. Guys, I write these myself. Okay. You can tell. He was born in Alabama, raised in Georgia, moved to Hollywood at 19 and has brought us iconic roles in films like Django Unchained, The Hateful Eight, and on TV he's given us gold in shows like The Shield, Justified, Vice Principals, Righteous Gemstones, and recently White Lotus and Fallout. Dudes, here's Mr. Walton Goggins Jr. Yo, man. Here he is. Yo, man. Now we get it started. I didn't know that you had to masturbate every day to lead McHale's Navy. You got to get the evil out if you want to stick around a while. Damn it. I wanted to get that show. Why do you look so sharp today? Do I look sharp? You're in the middle of a junket. Yeah, in the middle. Day three or four, something like that. No, really? Yeah. Man. Yeah. But this is the first one for today. Okay. We get you fresh? So I'm doing okay. Yeah. You got me fresh. Okay. This is for Fallout? Yeah. For Fallout. Yeah. Yeah. This is Fallout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I knew, I know that there's a surprise guest, and I saw Will the other night. I know. And I almost let it- Did you keep it zipped? You were so good. Well, I didn't know who was it. I didn't know who like invited me. Who the host was. Dude, you were so good. I had no idea. I mean, I was focused on your full length leather coat you were wearing, and it was 100 degrees in that room. So was I, because I was sweating. I lost 10 pounds that night. It was great. Oh, my God. Hey, so here's the deal. MGT, maybe we've just sniffed out what the, maybe the whole is sometimes when every once in a while, Walton, a guest will come up to one of the three of us and say, hey, can't wait to see you next week. And it's just like- Or the rep. Or the rep, or something like that. So what I think is the guest needs to be told, Michael, who the hosting fella is. Yeah. They're told. The rest are told. They're told. They are told. We're keeping that in. We're keeping that they're told in. The host, I mean, the guest knows who the hosts are. This is smartless, man. No, no, no. But you didn't know if- Your people didn't tell you. Yes. Yes. That's right. They did not tell. So this is more, you know who we need to be speaking to are Walton's representatives, because they- The reps. Get them on the phone. Yeah, we're going to get some- They're in the room. Some of them are in the room right now. Do you hear that? Why didn't you tell me? Honestly. It doesn't matter. I'm going to have to run homework for the other two. What's up, fellas? What's up, bud? Dude. It's so good to meet you. All right. So you're out there- Sean, right back at you. With the sandwich board for Fallout. I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're just starting. And how are- Let's just jump off right there. How are you enjoying- God, he loves to jump off. What's the pre-call? I love to jump off. I just love to- What's the pre-call on that? You got a two-hour pre-call there- What's the pre-call? You know what? Look. For the makeup chair? Yeah, man. You know, before anybody else shows up. I mean, it got so bad. Like, not so bad, but we filmed the first season in New York for some reason, honestly. Well, because you've got a place there, a beautiful place there in the Hudson Valley. They thought maybe we'll make it geographically attractive for Mr. Goggins. But never saw it. Never left the city, really, except to go to Namibia. But we're out here now, and we were out filming in the desert. I've got this van, you know, that, like so many other people, I've got- That you rent back to the company, and you call it your dressing room? As a matter of fact, I do. Yes, I do. Wait, what? It's working. Yeah, it's working. Yeah, here's what you do, Sean. What are you talking about? When you're a fancy pants like Walton, and you're working all the time, the smart money is spent on like a motor home or a van or something like that. You buy it yourself. Yeah, and then you rent it back to the production as your dressing room. And so they give you the money for dressing room rental. So it pays for itself. It pays for itself. Kind of. Yeah, I mean, it's a little harder in New York than it is in Los Angeles. Yeah, just parking on 8th Avenue. Yeah, parking is very expensive there. The parking tickets offset the rental fee. Yeah, but it did. It worked out, you know, it worked out. But so we got to the point where we were kind of filming like out in the desert a few times. I just stayed for the first time, I don't know if you guys have ever done this, but I stayed at base camp. You slept in your trailer overnight? I slept in your trailer overnight. I slept in these like, you know, really kind of bad hotel rooms like in the middle of nowhere. So you slept at the location? Yeah, at the location with a security guard. Everybody else would leave. Smart. And I just had my food. Did you stick them for the hotel, for the hotel money too? Give me that. Yeah, I got the $60. That a boy. Yeah, I said, no, come on. I love it. Let me have that table. And you have your shower and a little kitchen in there and everything. Yeah, everything. And it was only four steps to work. You didn't shower in there. I mean, like my call time was, I mean, I had, yeah, I did shower there. Did you? Every single night. Yeah, of course. I mean, you gotta, you gotta shower when you have that stuff on your face. Jason would never, Jason, you'd never use trailer water, right? Yeah. No, exactly. I don't want to smell like a hoe. I have filtered. I only use... But Walton, you do strike me as a fella. You do strike me as a fella that is not afraid to walk barefoot on a hotel rug. No, no, I walk barefoot across the desert. Exactly. You're a guy that you're much, you're not, I'm a soft, I'm a soft man. You don't seem like a soft fella at all. You can handle quite a bit of, you know, taking away the creature comforts. You know, well, I just, I had an experience where all the creature comforts were taken away. Like, and I didn't realize how, how, how many they were going to take away. But I took my, I'm a father, I know there's two other parents here, and Shawn, you have a dog. You're like, stop bragging. I know that's, yeah, hey, you know, I just have one so I can kind of, you know, not take a job for a while. But, but I took him, he was 14, right, about to turn 15. And it's like, okay, well, we, you know, this is a big transition kind of in your life and we need to mark this occasion. And I took him on a two week horseback riding trip across Western Mongolia. Oh, wow. Yeah. How old is he? No, it was a big deal. It was a big deal. He's 14. He'll be 15 in about six weeks. And it was just a, you know, an opportunity for us to kind of get out there and, and see the world. And we're both obsessed with Genghis Khan. Jason would be stressed, Jason would be stressed going to the first class lounge in Mongolia. Where are you going to find, where are you going to, where are you going to find a TV with CNN international or copy pods or anything like that when you're in Mongolia? But where do you, you, again, you, you do strike me as a guy who's, who's so sort of, there's a lot of texture in your life. I'm like, I'm surrounded with ThreadCount and things like that. Yeah. I like, well, I like ThreadCount too, you know, but you know how to do both. Mongolian Kashmir. I mean, I like, I like all of those things, but on this trip, here's what, here's what happened. And other than maybe we'll get to like a parenting moment, you know, with my son, which was extraordinary. But on day three, I mean, it took us, it took us about like 72 hours just to get to the starting point, you know, and stopped and missed a flight, spent the night in Istanbul, which is, you know, hey, throw me in the Briar Patches. I love that place. And we made it to Ulaanbaatar in another plane, landed in Western Mongolia, and then like an eight hour drive to just the starting point. And we got there and, and it was just the two of us were obsessed with that part of the world. And, and then we start, you know, start and we meet everybody. Nobody speaks English. We have an interpreter. It's, it's just the two of us, five horses, I mean, seven, seven horses, five camels, and an interpreter, two horsemen, an eagle hunter. Who sets this up? And a cook, man. Like it's legit. It's a real, it's the real deal. And, and we're both like in the tent the first night looking at each other going like, we're here, man. We did that. We did it. And the very first, when we landed in Western Mongolia, my son looked at me and he said, I've never been this happy in my life, Dad. So he's got that wanderlust like I do. So cut to day, day two, you know, something like that kind of happened. And he, you know, it was like, wow, this is, excuse my language, this is really fucking hard, Dad. Like this is really, this is hard. Like this is really hard. And he was, you know, he was missing his mom and missing, you know, his life. And I said, you know what, buddy, I understand it is hard. You're absolutely right about it. It's very, very hard. And, and you can, you can be in this place and I'll hold you and I'll love you and I'll, and I'll, and I'll, I'll comfort you in this time. Or you can, he said he really wanted to go home. And I said, okay, but I'll hold you and I'll comfort you for as long as you want. I mean, for the next 12 days, or you can accept that this is your reality, right? You're not changing this reality. And you can let that fester and you can react to that. Or you can accept the fact that this is your reality and actually learn, you know, and spend and not waste that energy, emotion. It's up to you. And literally at 14 years old, he said, I just need, can I, can I use the battery? Because there's no, you don't have cell phones. We only have, you know, a little bit of batteries with us or whatever. It's like, you can use the battery if you use it up, use it for whatever you want. He's like, I just need to listen to some music. And he did. He sat in the tent. He came out about 45 minutes later and he just looked up at me with this big, beautiful grin on his face. With a plane ticket. No, I'm kidding. And he thumbs up like, I'm good, dad. I'm good. And then, so it's like, okay, he got through that. The next morning I'm on the horse, we're all leaving this whole caravan. It takes a whole process of getting ready to go. And I've been riding horses my whole life. My son is an unbelievable rider. And my horse just trips. And I went down. I didn't see it coming. Oh, now who's got to go home? She rolled on top of me. Now who needs to be held? Exactly. Well, this is what happened. She rolled on top of me. And I was able to push her off thinking like, oh my God, I just broke my leg. That's it. And look down. It was like, okay, legs fine. Everything's okay. And then I went to stand up and I immediately collapsed. Something was wrong. Something was really wrong. And my son looked at me. He's like, dad, are you okay? He's like, yeah, yeah, dude, I'm okay. I'm all right. I got up on the horse, rode for seven hours. Don't remember it. Had a couple of Advil my wife threw in a bag. What I realized, you know, after a few days is that I broke my rib. Oh God. And then all of a sudden I'm like taking the advice that I just gave my son because it's like, hey man, nobody's coming to get you. You know, you're in the middle of nowhere. There is no helicopter coming to air vac you out of here, man. Medevac you out of here. You got to go. You got to ride. And so it was, you know, another nine days. Oh my God. Where does that kind of... That is... Dude. Dude. Jay, are you going to tell the story about... Do I have some cred? Do I have some cred now? Jay, you're about to tell the story about when that guy didn't have your valet ticket at the Governor's Awards? Yeah. And I'm like, hey man. You waited like 10 minutes for them to sort out your limo. You remember that? A solid 10 minutes. And... This happened two days ago. I had to talk to a bunch of people I didn't want to talk to. My tux was sort of itchy. With gift bags in your hand. Yeah, yeah. And we offered to hold him. Well, where'd you get this kind of thick skin emotionally, spiritually? Did you have a couple of good parents? Well, I mean, I think we all have thick skin. Like, you know, it's just a matter of being exposed to it. Look, I'm a poor kid from Georgia and my parents were divorced, you know, when I was three years old. Yeah. And I grew up around a bunch of, you know, when I say crazy... You say it with love. With love. Yeah, yeah. Curious and really colorful. I like that. Colorful Southern women, you know? And a little bitty farmhouse outside of Atlanta. And yeah, we didn't have anything. We didn't have like, you know, central air. I mean, we had like a heater, you know, that emitted... I mean, like it is the cause of global warming. Like this one particular furnace that we had in our house. And yeah, we just didn't have much. And so, but we didn't want for much. And I don't know. I just think growing up that way... Well, then what about all this privilege and luxury and... I love it. Elitism that you're rolling around with every once in a while. You think, is it getting you soft? I love it. Yeah. No, dude, how's it getting me soft? Yeah. Yeah, right. Everybody has a new normal. But you know how to categorize it, right? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. You're still able to go to Mongolia and get along. Absolutely. Yeah. Can I ask you some questions about that story? That it's crazy. I just can't believe I'm talking to three of you, man. This is just so... Well, likewise. Because two of you I know, and Sean, I don't know. So just ask me anything. We went to... Sean and I went to Istanbul once. I want to ask you. Okay. What? Yeah, we went to Istanbul. Yeah. Don't make me... Together. Yeah. That is true. That is true. But, Bill, if you remember, like a week after we left, it was like a big terrorist attack. Do you remember that? Yeah, I know. I know. Like a week after we got out of there. Yeah. Wow. We'll be right back. And now, back to the show. So the broken rib, how do you get through that many days? Oh, this is going to be about ribs at Chin-Chin Bistro. Okay. Well, it's really easy. You talk about... No, how do I get through with a broken rib? Yeah. You get through that many, nine days. What do you do with the pain and how do you heal and like, what do you do? Okay. He's hard, man. He can do it. Well, no. I mean, like, but there's no... I didn't know what was happening. Right? I didn't... And it did... You know, I got to be honest with you, man. I felt like, oh, you know, maybe this is internal bleeding. Maybe this is it. Like, I was really... I was scared, but I tried not to show that to my son. And I said that when we got to this particular... The next location after that seven-hour ride. And I crawled into this tent. I mean, they took me off this horse, which, by the way, I had the only horse in Mongolia with Alzheimer's, man. She had no idea who I was. It's like, man, I've been riding you for eight hours a day, man. I didn't stop for lunch. I've only been gone for 20 minutes, man. Like, I'm here. I don't have a scent, I mean, really? But no, I crawled into this tent and I looked at my son and I said, listen, man, I'm gonna take this Advil and we're gonna see if I wake up with any relief. And if it is, then I think we're gonna be okay. Everything's fine. And I did, I fell asleep. I don't even remember falling asleep. I woke up, I don't know, three hours later or something like that. And I felt marginally better, right? Because I'd found a place that wasn't so painful. Right, right. And then I was able to make it out of the tent. I walked in, I mean, I'm in Mongolia. It's the best horse people in the world. You know, they had an idea of kind of what it was. And then while I was sleeping, they fermented a bunch of yak vodka. Sure. You know, like yak milk. And so I just, I drank, we killed a goat that day. And I drank this yak vodka. They just left there for the next thing. We had these like two gallons of yak vodka. So I would just like in the morning, you know, like with coffee and follow it with a shot of yak vodka and a little bit of Advil. You can't get that at the Marriott, man. Just a mouthful of goat. Yeah, exactly. And it was, and we had no refrigeration for that goat, but we ate that goat every way one can eat a goat. Oh, how are you? I can't think of anything I'd rather not do. Just watching Jason's face. Really? Because I'm gonna invite all of you on the next trip. I mean, I would be, I would have an uncomfortable time just researching that trip. You know what? Okay, this is how. The websites I'd have to go to to research this would have a font and a sort of a user interface that would be aesthetically unappealing to me. And let alone go to the country. What's wrong with me? Well, you know what? Because my son was, you know, at this age, I said, and he's obsessed. I got a smart kid, y'all. Like he's a very, very, very bright, very curious man. I can't even say young man, because if you sit with him, you feel like you're talking to somebody who's been around a long time. How old is he now, Walton? He's still 14, man. Like he turns, he's a New Year's Day baby. So this was a recent trip. No, man, I just got back like two months ago, man. Well, how's your rib now? Better. I mean, I got, I mean, look, it's such a long story, but it kind of made it, like kept going. And day three, it took me, that's when it like got really bad. And it took me like an hour and a half just to get out of the tent. I'd wake up before my kid did just so that he didn't see me that way. So you'd go do this trip again? Oh, yeah. Oh, one on one with you guys, the four of us. I'll drive you to the airport. That's it. What about like a safari in Africa? What's, okay, well, look, what's the most adventurous experience that you've ever given yourself? Go ahead, Sean. Yeah, well, during COVID, like right before COVID hit, I booked a Scotty thing where we were gonna go on the Orient Express. It's like his dream to go on that train across Europe. And so that's like the most extravagant thing I would have ever done, but that's on a fancy train. Oh, you didn't wind up, you didn't, Have you ever done anything out of nature though, either of you guys? Well, I did a day's worth of work, Schedule F on a Knight Rider episode once. They had me on a honey wagon. And honey wagons, let me tell you something. If you're looking to stretch out and catch a nap at lunch, you're fucked. Yeah, you are. In the forest. Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, those, well, your legs are straight up and they're flat. Your feet are flat against the wall. You got the xylophone wall that is just, you're hearing everybody's business next door. I don't recommend it. You remember your roommate? You remember who it was? Some old timer, bless his heart. Not Ernest Portman. Jack Elam, might've been Jack Elam. I don't think, yeah, I would go if it was like, the kids say glamping, like if it was, because I love- What we should do, I've done, I did, when I was your son's age, I was 15, I did a three and a half week canoe trip up in Northern Ontario and that was 1985. And we got dropped off on the side of a road and it was, yeah, three and a half weeks of canoeing and it was, ended up being a whole thing. And we were, got way behind because the maps were so old. So we had to portage every day for the last eight days. Portage. And we had to get rescued by, we paddled into this bay and we were like, we knew we were way behind and we had to meet a bus at a highway. And we knew we were hundreds of kilometer or miles or whatever behind. And we were late. We paddled into a bay that we didn't, you didn't see anybody. And there was no, there are no roads up there. There's nothing. It was way up Northern Ontario. And we got, we paddled around this corner and there was a cabin there. We saw some people there and they dropped, sometimes they drop people, a lot of Americans off for fishing for a week and on a sea plane. And there's a couple there and we paddled up to their dock and they're like, are you boys okay? By the way, I never let my, we were all 15 and then the two guides were 18, right? So the five of us and then two guides. And we're like, we're kind of in trouble. And at which point the plane that worked for that company drove by and saw our canoes and came and he landed. And he's, and asked us what the situation is. He said, okay, well, we'll get in touch with somebody. You know, this is way before cell phones and all that shit. And we were like, what's gonna happen? And then like two hours later, we see a twin otter come and land and it's the Ministry of Natural Resources. And they picked us up and we strapped a couple of our canoes to the pontoons and we took off and we got out of there. The craziest thing was at the end of this bay, there were these two small islands really close together. And on each island was a wing. And we're like, what's that? And they're like, oh, back in the fifties, a plane tried to take off, but it was too heavy and it didn't make it. And then sheared off both wings. Oh my God. And we're like, are we okay? And then the guy's like, you know, bush pilot. He's like, oh yeah, we'll be fine. Hey, no worries. And I'm like, wow. Were you scared? Did you get, did you remember that feeling of being? About day four of us being way behind, we started to get a little bit scared. It was really, we were, it was just, we were out there and we was like, nobody knew where we were. And yeah. So anyway, I couldn't eat when they broke for first team. I had to wait till background. I had to eat when background ate. And I'm like, guys, I've got lines. I'm saying a couple of lines today. And they're like, no, we're gonna want you to stay. Look at my sides. Yeah, you're staying holding. And then we'll let you know, we've got to get first team through first. I had to eat when background ate. But I made it. I made it. You made it, you made it. Wow, you look great, Jay. Walton, you grew up in Georgia. Can you say anything specifically from that area that has shaped you into the kind of actor you are today? I mean, I guess you're sort of, you basically said it did season you a bit, right? I was gonna say this. I don't know if it's Georgia, but also the way that you live your life and you're talking about the stuff you do, you have such an unbelievably freewheeling style. And I mean, that is the greatest as such a compliment. You bring something to every sort of role that you do. It's no BS. You bring this kind of, yeah, this life, like this kind of freewheeling thing that is so fucking alive and fantastic. Every time you light it up, man. And I wonder if that is because of your background, dude. I look, I've been exposed to stuff. You know, he's got things to draw on. Look, that's a lot coming from this group of men because I am such big fans of all of you, as you know. I mean, Sean, you don't, but I am. Well, that's very sweet, likewise. This is what, I genuinely live every day like it's my last day. And what I mean by that is, I know what it's like to be hungry. I know what it's like to be cold. I know what it's like to be uncomfortable. I know now what it's like to wear really nice clothes because I've had this beautiful one and gotten to wear, well, that's very kind of you to say, but I, you know, it's like, well, why do you think these people are letting you wear these clothes? I said, because I'm wearing them, like I'll never get to wear them again. And that's the truth, you know? And I, you know, we have a friend. And I mean that, and that's okay, too. We have, you do have an allergy to buttons, though. And just like Justin Bieber's got an allergy to sleeves. What is it with you two? You're in a fight with the clothes. You're not, you're not, hey, now I'm taking my cues off Richard Gere. I'm taking my cues off. No. You know what, I did a movie with Richard, man. I did a movie with Richard, like, this is a few years ago. And it was with Dinklage and Bradley. And we were sitting there and it was really, really tired. It's a long, long day. And I looked at him and I said, man, I'm so tired. I'm really tired. You must be tired, Richard. And he said, you know what, you're right, I am. I'm very tired. He said, but you know the difference between you and me? I said, no, man, what's the difference? He said, tomorrow morning when I wake up, I'll still be Richard Gere. Motherfucker. And you won't. You motherfucker, man, you're exactly right, you will be. So it's okay, you're okay. That's really funny. Now, all right, so you pack up from Georgia. Pack up from Georgia, yeah. You go to Georgia Southern University, I think I got that right. And you do a year there and you say, you know what, you wanna know what? I think I know what I wanna do. So you jump, did you ride horseback from Georgia out to Los Angeles? Yeah, I did, I rode a horse. So you- I've seen this entire nation. Yeah, I took a long way around. So you tie that horse up. So I went the northern route, then came back and I took the southern route just to get to LA. So you pull into Los Angeles there at 19. And- Wow, nine years old. You start the process of chasing the dream. And was it a difficult thing to get an agent and get auditions right away? Did you have a colorful first job to sort of pay the bills during this process? What was that first year like? You know, I was, look, we all have our stories, right? I mean, there was no way I was ever gonna go to New York. A vertically integrated city was way above my pay grade. I couldn't handle that living. Wait, wait, sorry, you thought New York would be too expensive to live in? Well, too expensive, but so radically different, right? Oh, right, right, right. And I, then, you know, the life that I kind of grew up. Well, not sprawl, no. I grew up kind of like, you know, in the country with space, a little bit of space. And a big family, a little family? No, well, I mean, I have a half brother now, but at the time, I mean, I was really kind of raised an only child. And it was my mom and her three sisters, and my grandmother, and my cousin, who's like, you know, she's like my aunt's daughter, like my sister, and then all of these crazy, crazy Southern hippies, you know? Like all of these guys, I had just a lot of people that kind of came through my life. Right, so New York was too much of a cultural shock, potentially, so. Well, you know, maybe on some level, absolutely. But I, and I also think that I was just really attracted to the West, you know, and the idea. I'm, you know, growing up in a place where the biggest view that you have is a football field, right? Because of all the pines and all the rest of it. I just love the idea of seeing from miles in any direction. And so, yeah, I left, you know, at 19, you know, drove across country with my dad, believe it or not. Oh, right. You know, and I had, you know, a number, but I watched, I watched, I mean, I'm not without people in my life that were in this business, in the sense that my aunt was an actress in the theater, and her husband, my uncle. So I grew up kind of watching them on stage. Sure. And, but, you know, I really didn't, I mean, I liked doing this, you know? I mean, I did like doing, I didn't know this is what I was gonna do for the rest of my life. I just really wanted to see the world. But when you landed, day one, what do you do? Like, how do you, what was your plan? Well, I started working, right, in Atlanta. I mean, I started working, like, there was a, yeah, like Kyle Chandler was this, you know, in this group, and my buddy Ray McKinnon, and just, there was a lot kind of going on in Atlanta at that time, and I got a few gigs there, and one was a pretty big one, you know, called Murder in Mississippi, and it was nominated for like eight Golden Globes, with a bunch of really great actors in it. And so I got an agent pretty quick, you know, because I'd come out kind of before. And they said, come on out. Well, kind of, I mean, yeah, kind of that. I mean, I don't know, they were kind of reluctant. I don't know why they took me, to be quite honest with you. But I, you know, I didn't know, I mean, I had a guy's phone number, and I, when I first got dropped off. At the Elkwoods. No, I got dropped off at this woman. I met, I worked with her husband, and she was like a manager, and I actually put this like on my Instagram, version of it on my Instagram, but I got dropped off at this apartment. Woman, her husband picked me up, and I got back to her apartment, like right off, like Sierra Bonita and Hollywood Boulevard. And, you know, and she asked me to sign this paper, and I said, I just, I don't really know. I don't think I should do that. I don't even know what I am. And she said, well, you know, if you don't sign it, then you have to leave. I said, well, I don't, I don't have anywhere to go. And she said, well, you gotta figure that out. I said, well, can I just spend the night? I'll be out of here first thing in the morning. She said, yeah. And I left, you know, first thing the next morning, and I had an audition, actually, with a cast director by the name of Pam Dixon. And I sat, I was there, you know, four and a half hours early, and with my luggage. And she said, what, you've been out here the whole time? I said, yeah, you know. She said, well, just bring your stuff inside. Just hang out. And I did, and didn't get the job. But afterwards, I had a phone number from a guy that I'd worked with, and I ran into at a Rio Bravo in Atlanta. And I called it, and he answered the phone, a pay phone, right? And he said, yeah, man, I'll come pick you up. You can stay with us. And that was kind of it. That was the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, I had 300 bucks, you know, in my pocket. And then got a job, like everybody else, you know. What job? What were you doing? L.A. Fitness. Sure. You know, 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. shift, making four bucks an hour. Were you checking folks in, or were you a personal trainer? I was checking them in, man. Yeah, yeah. The shittiest shift. Locker keys. Yeah, yeah. Like, there was nobody there. Shower slippers. Just me. Yeah. Do you remember where that was? Which L.A. Fitness that was? Yeah, Oxnard and Coldwater. Oh, in the Valley. Yeah, in the Valley. Oh, with the racquetball courts. I used to play racquetball in there. Oh, did you? As a matter of fact, they did. Yeah, did they have that? Yeah, they did. Sure, they must have had that. Right there on the L.A. River. Right there. On the L.A. River. Would you play there with Schwartz? Yeah, Johnny Schwartz. Johnny Schwartz? Would you guys play there? Johnny Schwartz, he'd kick my ass every game. And where were you living at that point? I mean, were you living at D&D Tower? I was living at the top of the Sunset Tower. That's where he kept his course. That's where you started your journey in Los Angeles. Listen, I will say, Walton, it's not surprising. Again, I'm gonna get down to just what I know from you over the years, and that you, that this stuff opened up because you come at life with such a great, positive attitude, and it is a really great, not to get too weird, but it is a great example of you come out, you just, you make a call, you're open, you're very positive, and you kind of get in life what you put into it. And it's almost like, I think that that lesson, again, that you gave your son, I mean, this is all part of a bigger, if you kind of take a broader view, that you've just got this great vibe of, and again, I just, it's no surprise to me, man. Yeah, people wanna hang out with you. Yeah. That's what you say. Well, I mean, look, look, we all have our path, right? And what, how did we get that first job? How did we get a second job? How did we get a third? How did a decade later, 20 years later? I mean, hell, I've been at this 30 something years, 35 years, and I just don't compare myself to anybody else, really. Yeah, it's so crucial, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and I've got, like, we have a lot of friends in common. I've got a lot of friends who are a lot more successful than I am, and a lot that aren't. And, but it's the same, right? It's just- We're all the same, yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, we really are. It is- Sean was saying something interesting, because we were talking about this thing I went through the other night, and Sean said, isn't it funny that no matter what, we, on a certain level, nobody thinks that they've made it. I don't care who you are, because you're always trying to, right? Right. You're always, there's no, like, people are like, oh, you made it. Like, I haven't made it. I'm like, thinking about, how do I, right? And everybody else thinks, yeah. They say, and there's this great line, I just saw the movie, J. Kelly, which is pretty good. George Clooney says, you know, that he spent his whole life trying to get something that he thought he really wanted, and then he got it. And then he realized, oh, wait, it's not over. I gotta, now I gotta keep it. You know, it's like, so no matter where you are, even if you think you're there, you still gotta work on trying to keep it, if you care to, you know. Do you think they'll put your quote, do you think they'll put your quote on the poster, JB, J. Kelly, pretty good? Pretty good. Why not? Yeah, on Sunset Boulevard, you know? There it is. It's pretty good. This guy, I highly recommend. Highly recommend. Can I ask you gentlemen something? Capricorn. Do you ever, do you, do you get insecure walking into a room? I mean, yes, in general, right? Everyday. Other than my life, insecure. Every moment. Yeah, right? Yeah. Walking into a room? Walking into a room with, you know, like an event, or like a bunch of actors, or writers, or directors, or, you know, like something affiliated with this person at the time. I don't get insecure about status, because I don't care about it. I get insecure about carrying a conversation. Carrying a conversation? Yeah. Really? You're an incredible conversationalist. No, no, but the work that it takes for me to get up to being a good conversationalist is exhausting. It's exhausting. Yeah, it's exhausting being interested in somebody you don't, you're sitting next to at a table with placards with your name on it next to somebody you don't know, and you have to like. Start from scratch. Hey, what's going on? Like, you know what I mean? So I get anxiety about that, but not so much about like status. I don't care about status. No, no, not anymore. Weirdly, I think it's a, I think that I'm just naive, and I don't know what it is that I'm blessed with that. It's kind of, you know, just like, I just don't have any sense. Yeah, I had a really cool, I was doing this interview thing the other day. It's gonna come out, but that, I had the pleasure of sitting next to Benicio del Toro. And the woman said. Well, that's somebody I would like to sit next to. Yeah, and the woman said, she said, you know, this idea of imposter syndrome. She said, do you ever, do you guys ever suffer from imposter syndrome? And she said, Benicio. And he goes, what is that? And I was like, oh, man. That's wild. That was so dope. That's cool. And she goes, no, you know that thing? And he goes, I don't know what that is. I was like, fuck. That would make me feel even more of an imposter. But it was so dope. That would send me over the edge. But at the same time, it was so cool because it was such a great sort of lesson of like, you don't have to, right? Like, you can try to, you can kind of let that go. And he has it naturally in the most beautiful way, but like, oh yeah, you don't have to have it, you know? That's right, yeah. Yeah, you know, I've gotten aware, like, you know, I've just gotten, it scares me a little bit, you know? But I've gotten really comfortable at work. Yeah, that's good. Like, it doesn't, you know what I mean? And that's not a feeling that I'm comfortable with. I like to be, when I'm working, I'm not very social. I'm alone. I'm just off doing my thing. Yeah, I like that. And then you kind of come in. I don't hang out and just small talk. I don't have the energy. I'm like you, Sean. I get exhausted. Yeah, me too. I'm an introvert, for sure. David, you know, famous David, I just looked it up, the David Bowie quote. I love this. You probably know it. Aging is an extraordinary process whereby you become the person you always should have been. So all of this stuff that we're talking about, I think the older you get, the more you're like, I can walk into a room, because who gives a shit? I just had an extraordinary experience, and who knows if it'll translate, but I am up here doing this thing. Where are you, by the way, man? I'm in Montana, outside of Bozeman, Montana. He's in the back of an In-N-Out. And I'm doing this. I had the pleasure of doing these scenes with the great Michelle Pfeiffer. Jay, what do you call her? M-Pfeiffer? Mishy Pfeiffer. Mishy Pfeiffer. Mishy Pfeiffer. And she's so brilliant. And I just had this moment, and I think it's age. I don't know if it's age or what it is, and I can just say it honestly, that I was just there doing this thing, and we're literally shooting on the edge of this river that's out there, that's beautiful. What I'm looking at is insanely beautiful, and then snow-capped mountains in the distance, and the thing. And we're about to go, and I'm like, what am I doing in this scene? And what am I doing? And I just went like, oh man. I literally was like, anything can happen. Just enjoy it. Just be right here. Yeah, yeah. And then it was just like unreal. Incredible. Yeah, of just like letting go. And I don't. I'm just like letting go, and I don't think I could have done it as a younger man. And I think that as I'm getting older, I've just let go of so many hang-ups. So, yeah, because, Walt, because you asked that, do you have that? Because you asked us that, do you have, are you still... Well, I guess what I was kind of getting at, just to hear your experiences, yeah, I think that I just carried so much of the people that I've gotten to play, you know, it's, they're pretty lonely, you know, they're, you know, nefarious, and they got a lot going on, and they're under a lot of pressure mentally and emotionally for the most part. And so I quite enjoy kind of being in that state, in that place, especially, you know, at work. But, you know, something happened recently where, it's similar, but I just showed up like, yeah, hi, how are you? And I was just not, and I was there, I'd read the script 250 times, I know what's happening. But I, all of a sudden, I just, I didn't need that anymore. I mean, it's like, the difference between, you know, your 20s and your 30s, and then for me becoming a father at 39, so let's call it 40s, and then learning how to be a parent, oh, God, oh, God, now I'm a parent, I'm in my 50s. And I'm, and that's okay, I know how to be a parent. I feel like I know how to tell stories. And I just, I enjoy it more than I've ever enjoyed it. So it's just a new experience for me. Right. Like, I don't, I don't have that. But it's freeing though, right? It is so free, man. Yeah, I love that. It is, it's so free, I love it. We'll be right back. And now back to the show. Well, do you feel that, because, you know, we're, we do this thing where we're playing people. And I think, I think all four of us are interested in playing people that don't have it all together. People that are, that are, that are somewhat broken in an interesting way and vulnerable and human and have flaws and all that stuff. And have you, have you felt like you've, you know, we're talking about as we get older, we get better, right? It just, just as people. So do you think that that's at odds with playing characters that don't have it all together? Like, as we're starting to get our shit together as we get older, it's sort of at odds with playing characters that are, that are a little bit broken. And then in fact, as you get more and more successful, maybe, you know, as we were joking about earlier, you kind of get a little bit soft because things are sort of privileged around you and luxurious and stuff. Is it, do you, do you, do you fight that sort of embrace of success? Does it go against what you like to, to, to live in? You know what, that's a, that's a, that's a great question. And I would ask you all to answer that question too, but because I think we're told a lie, you know, early on that, you know, you gotta, you gotta struggle. You gotta, you know, you gotta live in it. You have to be, you have to be fucked up to play fucked up people. The truth is, no man, you don't, you can just be really evolved and, and, and, and, and not create distance between yourself and that experience actually really empathize with, with these people. And I, and I think that's where I've gotten to in my life. And outside of, I, I generally empathize with human beings. I believe that all of our paths are by nature narcissistic. We cast ourself as the antagonist and the protagonist in our own story. And we just watch how we interface with the fucking world. For sure. And when you step outside of that, when you really step outside of that narcissistic DNA quality of survival, all of a sudden the world just becomes, it's just easier. Life is easier. It's just calmer. And, and I'm, I'm calmer. And, and I, and I feel that happening kind of in, in my professional life. It's, it's happened. God, I, I had such a hard time. I watched you guys on Kimmel, you know, the three of you on Kimmel. And, and, and I, and I, I listened, I saw you, Sean, and I saw like how far, you know, you sat and kind of speaking about your anxiety. And I, and I, I had, I still have it on some level, but I had it. I really had it. And it's also a little bit of a superpower, but yeah. It is a superpower. And it, and, and, and getting ready to walk into a room for people that experienced that. And it's like, you gotta, okay, I'm going to show, because I show up for shit. You know what I mean? I show up for a conversation and nothing is half-assed. That's right. I show up for everything. And if you put that much into it, if you care that much about it, well then, then, and it's not performative. It's not a performance, but you're, it's, it takes a lot from you. And on the other side of that, you know, you gotta just be alone and quiet and kind of do all of that. And I, I envy people that can just, just fucking move through it, man, without, without expending like a ton of energy and still be just as charming and all the rest of it. I know, I know. But I wonder if that, because there have been times when I have been less insecure and really kind of just cruise through it and not, and I just don't feel like, well, I might have a lesser level of anxiety. I just don't feel like I'm participating as much. Like, I don't feel like I'm, I'm feeling the day as much. I, I like being insecure in as many things and situations as I can. I just feel like I'm a little bit more eyes open, ears open, heart open. If, if I am like, I, I worry when I get too comfortable. Anyway. All right. So, so you, so you, you, you come out to LA, you start working. Do you remember what that job was that gave you a little bit of like a, Oh, wow. I think I might be able to make a living at this. Some people have raised some eyebrows. I'm getting some calls. Was, was there one that kind of initiated the momentum that you've, you've kept going since then? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A very specific, right. We've all had many before this happened and after this happened events in our, in our life. And, and I, I Valley parked, I sold cowboy boots. Then I became a personal trainer at the same gym that started this thing. I did all of that. And, and then I, I got this movie called the apostle with Robert Duvall and he had so good. You're so good. And I love that movie. You're great. But I was, I was 24 years old and it was through the process of kind of, you know, uh, telling that story. And, uh, and the relationship that I had with, with Bobby on the other side of that, that I felt like, okay, I can, you know what, man? Cause I always were. And I worked as soon as I got here, I was very, very fortunate and I, and I, you know, poor kid, Georgia. I just squirreled it away always. And just lived off whatever I made doing whatever job that I was doing. But at that point I thought, well, you know what, I'm just going to, I'm not going to do that anymore. And I'm, and I'm just going to, you know, focus kind of on, on this. And, um, and then, you know, I don't think people really knew what to do with me because on the other side of that thinking my manager who was actually sitting here was, was my manager then. And, uh, and she, you know, leaned in my ear or somebody that she was with leaned in my ear and said, Hey man, your life's about to change. That's good. Cause it was a Toronto film festival or whatever. And then on the other side of it, people just thought, well, this, this guy's just fucking from there. They just got, he's just a local hire. You know, you weren't even like, you weren't even like an actor. You were real. Yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, okay. What a compliment. Well, I guess it is to Bobby Duvall, you know, that's what, that's what he says. But, uh, but, and then I just kept cruising, you know, I just said yes in life more than I said no. And, and I, you know, my twenties weren't under a microscope. I just got to do my thing. Yeah. But now, but now when you walk down the street, you're getting stopped. Yeah. And you have, you have been for, for, for years, but, um, how has, what's your relationship with, with that? Um, do you feel like those are two separate people? The, the, the person that the public, uh, recognizes wants to talk to, or have you, have you, have you been able to incorporate that into what seems to be an incredibly authentic person from the very beginning? You've, you've been very tapped into keeping it real, not being full of shit, no artifice, um, no veneer. Uh, yet the public basically has a say on who they think you are as well. And sometimes fame there's, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a discomfort with, with, with, um, with, with merging those two things. Have you, have you, have you made a fan of that or a friend? Oh, you know what I honestly, and I, and I, whether you like it or whether you don't, whether you like me or you don't like me. I am me and I, I am me, uh, privately. I am me publicly. Anybody that knows me very, very well listening to this podcast would say, yeah, he's the exact same. And when, like, you know, interfacing with people on the street, this is no bullshit. This is how I... No, because, because editing yourself everywhere you go is exhausting too. It's like, oh, I gotta be this person. The person who's not full of shit, who's no BS would, would be at a dinner table and enjoying your conversation with your friend. And then a fan would come up and ask for a picture or something. The person who's like truly no bullshit would say, hey man, I'm having dinner. I can't do that right now. But like, this is like an example. Kurt Russell would say that. Kurt Russell did say that. Called somebody out who said like, I'm a pilot. And he's like, no, you're fucking not. Tell me about this thing. But I'm, that's not my person. That's not my personality. That's not where I come from. That's not how I was raised. And for me, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I really mean this, man, when I'm, when I'm stopped on the street. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it is, it has been a lot and it has been a lot over the last two or three years. But, but honestly, man, I feel like I can provide for my family. It just means that somebody else is going to hire me. And we have a public job. That's part of the job. It's part of the job. And, and I, and I, and I genuinely love meeting people. I, I don't, I don't, I don't, um, no, I, I just, I don't, I live my life differently in that way. And I, and I don't, I never meet a stranger. I, I like, you know, even where we live now, which is radically different than where we've lived our entire life. You know, I wasn't, my friends are, uh, the painter and the plumber and, and then, and the artist and all the rest of it. But that's, I, man, listen, I was raised in a household with crazy fucking Southern hippies. Yeah. Crazy, like, like insane. And, uh. With love. With love. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. But certifiably insane in the best way. And we all are. Like a Christmas at our house, like with, uh, you know, one little heater, whatever. More often than not, somebody would go to the store and then whoever went to the store would come back with three or four people. And that would happen to a couple of people who would come back. So then all of a sudden, like in a, like this, you know, family of whatever, there would be like 25 people sitting in our, around our Christmas tree that were, you know, when we had food. And then we would go because we didn't have gifts for them. We would just go pick out, you know, I remember giving my Atari like pitfall game to somebody just like my, my mom said, just go in there and pick out something you can give away. And, uh, and I went in and wrapped it up in a Christmas present. I'd just been playing it like all morning and, you know, and gave it out. Like that's, that's kind of what we did. And that's, you know, I don't know. I, it's just kind of how I live my, my life. I love that. Wait, I just wanted to ask, well, like, you know, we could go through tons of your stuff. Hateful 8, Django, Cowboys and Aliens, The Unicorn, like all those great things that you've done. And then T.V. of a, Shield and, and, uh, anyway. But only because it's the big recent massive thing is White Lotus, right? Yeah. Is like, you were so fucking great in that. And it was such a great season. And it, the world watches that show. And it's so massive. That must have felt different. And you got to work with your buddy, Sam Rockwell, our pal, Sammy Rock. Yeah, I love Sam Rockwell. That must've been fun. But shooting in Thailand must've been, well, maybe not for you. You probably loved all the fucking hot, sweaty conditions, right? Lots of open toed shoes. Yeah. Just like. I went to, see, like, okay. Like in the trip. Provided your own wardrobe. I went, I went to, I went to that part of the world, uh, 18 years ago. And it's a long story. I've said it, so I won't repeat it here. But I went all over Southeast Asia. Once I got to a certain point in my life after studying, like I didn't, I didn't party really in my twenties. You know, I just, I was hyper-focused on what it was I was asking myself to do. I didn't go to, I mean, I, you know, I went to, uh, uh, Roxbury, well, well, the Brown Derby, right. Or the, yeah, the Brown, you know, all the places over, like over in Los Feliz with, uh, Elaine and what's the name of the place? Yeah. Anyway, I did all of that. And, um, but barely. And so then when I turned 30 years old and, you know, we were on the second year of the shield or after the first year of the shield, I just said, well, you know what, this is my time now. I'm just going to finish a job and I'm going to take off and go somewhere in the world and just, uh, hang out and get to know that place. And I, and I've done that now, you know, with family and with family for God. I mean, I mean, I'm 54 years old, so I've been doing that for 24 years. It gives you, it gives you some, but it just gives you such a richness of life. That's not just about the, the doing this stuff. It gives you real world experience though. Sean and I talk about this all the time. Yeah. Like having that kind of real world experience and getting out in the world is important, man. I know. How do you do that? How do you, how do you find something new to bring back to the table? I mean, I try to do that too. I try to get out. I think it's what Will just said. I have to force myself to get out of the house. So, so I have, I'll put on CNN international, you know, and I'll just, uh, I'll see how, how it's all going. I like to go places, man. Yeah. But even like the dumbest thing, when Jason asked me to go to the Dodgers game, I was like, yeah. And by the way, never been like to a Dodgers game and like this, those seats. But just as far as an experience goes, it's like, wow, I have that in my brain now. Yeah. And you didn't take the one-on-one. You took sunset. Oh, that was new for you too. Backroads. And it was an 18 inning game. Oh my God. Take the five, man. It was great though. Um, uh, now what about to talk before we let you go, uh, tell us about fallout. Tell us about, so you're, you've, you've made a friend of the three hour makeup session. Uh, it's certainly worth it. My God, what an incredible job they do with you. Um, uh, it's a, it's a big, it's a, you know what? We're, we, we got to do this, uh, you know, uh, you get a call from Jonathan Nolan, you know, the first word out of your mouth is yes. You know, read the scripts afterwards. And, uh, one of the writers was, uh, she wrote tomb Raider and, and I was, she was a friend of mine, Geneva door at Robertson and, uh, and, and Graham Wagner. Um, I knew through some friends, it was just a fan of his really, but, but, but it started, it was all on the page. I didn't know like how we would, how they would tell this story. And, um, and, and it was a lot like day one was, was really intense thinking like, man, I'm too old for this shit. Like, I don't know how I can, I can, I can pull this off. It was in New York and it was like 99 degrees with a heat index of like 106. And, uh, and then we just kept go ahead. No, just to say your makeup. Like, it's like, you don't have a nose. No. So how do I do have a nose? I know. But how do they do, how do they get rid of your nose? You know, I, uh, they, it's, it's called a CGI. Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know. I thought it was like, uh, yeah. Okay. Still there. Yeah. Yeah. They do that like in, uh, in, in, in the post. So people see me when I, when I do my nose, actually, I just saw these, uh, screeners that they send out to everybody. And one scene, uh, they didn't do the effects on yet for the, Oh, fuck. That's my nose. Now, do you have to put, do you have to act with like a tracking mark on the tip of your nose? Yeah. It doesn't affect me cause I can't see it, but yeah. Is it like a little X or a dot or a green? It is five dots or four, one, two, three, four, four dots. I'll send you a photo. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we, we did it, man. And it, and it, and it came out and it was really well received and it became, you know, one of the biggest shows in the, in the, in the world. I mean, it truly is a global, uh, experience. I mean, this game, uh, you know, resonates so deeply with so many people all over the world. And we got an opportunity to do it again. And, uh, and, and jump right back in there. I've been on a, on a, on a long run. One of the best pilots I've ever seen. Like the first episode I've seen. It's, it's amazing. Thanks, man. Did you shoot the second season back in New York too? No, no, no. We're all, we're in LA now, man. We're, we're, we're here. Yeah. And, and, and it feels, it feels good to, to be back here and to work with an LA crew, you know, to see all of these rare to work here. Yeah. This is so, it's so tough here in this town right now, but it feels great to look out and go, yeah, we're back home. And so we did it. We did season two and look, we've all been down these roads a number of times. And you know, that if you get this first season, if you can get a critical mass to like it, and I knew it with the shield and with justified and with like the righteous gemstones or any of these things that, that you have an opportunity to do something transcendent, really. I mean, if you, if you, you can play it safe or you can go for it. And, uh, and that's what, you know, everybody did. And, and we're, you know, it's about, it's coming out on December 17th and, uh, on Amazon. Yeah, man. And we're, we're really, really, really excited about it. Well, you always go for it. You always go for it. And as I said at the top, you, you never drop us. You take us with you. You carry us safely, uh, on these great creative journeys that you, that you take us on. Dude, what was the show that you and Danny did that killed me? That was the other one before? Vice Principal. I know Vice Principal. Vice Principal, dude, dude. Well, anything you guys do. You killed me in that, dude. Thanks brother. I, I would, I'd, I'd give a limb to, to work with you one day, buddy. So my, my fingers are crossed for that. This'll have to do until then. Thank you so much for coming on the show and talking to us. Well, and you're just a legend, dude. You are, buddy. I'll buy you a glass of whatever you want, whenever I see you next. And, uh, I look forward to continue. Just take me on a horseback ride. You know, I got to get cultured. What if, what if I, what if I knock you? What if I, what if you woke up with me in Mongolia? In a tent in Mongolia? I would need a, I would need a few batteries. It'd have to be a lot of batteries in there. Okay, man. All right, y'all. Great to see you, dude. All right. I'll see you soon. Okay. Yeah. He slammed it. He did it. Love him. Yeah. I feel a little, I do feel a little seasoned. Just, just even talking to him. I don't need to go to Mongolia just yet. I know. By the way, those are the kind of guys, like, obviously we have tons and tons of favorite episodes. This is one of my favorite ones. Like that guy I can talk to forever. That he's so... How great is his vibe? Yeah, it's great. He's just, his lust for life is just incredible and infectious. Wouldn't you want to invite him over? It's funny when he talks about walking into a room. Every time he walks in a room, he lights it up and it's genuine. It's, it's not put on. That's so funny to hear him say that. As I said, I saw him the other night. He just comes in and he just has this, like, joie de vivre, as we say. He's got sparkle. Oh, he does have sparkle. Yeah. When he was talking about, when you were talking about your experience, the outdoor thing, I wanted to tell my story about my camp when I went to camp. As a, as a kid, I went to music camp at, um, uh, Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp in Michigan, and it was in the middle of the woods. And, uh, that's my only kind of outdoor long-term woodsy kind of thing. Anyway, who cares? Uh, yeah. 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